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secretary and the future secretary appeared before the senate foreign relations committee as kerry's sure march to secretary of state began. >> if you confirm me, i would take office as secretary proud that the senate is in my blood. but equally proud that so, too, is the foreign service. >> this comes less than 24 hours after hillary clinton spent five and a half hours testifying before the senate in the morning and the house in the afternoon. >> wow. >> from the start, shortly after 9:00 in the morning, to the end at 5:00 in the afternoon, the benghazi testimony rain the gamut from the emotional -- >> for me it's not just a policy matter but personal. i stood next to president obama as the marines took those flag-draped caskets at andrews.
i put my arms around the fathers and mothers, sisters and daughters and the wives left alone to raise their children. >> to the confrontational. >> we were misled that there was supposedly protests and then something sprang out of that. and that was easily ascertained that was not the fact and the american people could have known that within days. >> with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk and decided to go kill some americans? what difference? at this point, does it make? it is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. >> you have a united states ambassador personally warning about the situation over there, sending this cable to your office -- >> if i could, 1.43 million cables a year come to the state department. they're all addressed to me. they do not all come to me.
they're sorted through the bureaucracy. >> somebody within your office should have seen this cable is my -- in my judgment. >> whoo. she was out there boxing ali style an you know i know boxing. >> what the. >> hillary floated like a butterfly and stung like a bee. >> yes. >> nobody laid a glove on her and as for theater, all three cable news networks played all five and a half hours live. yes, libya is an important topic but hillary was the story. and nobody in the cable news world could turn it off. what does all this mean for today and more importantly for 2016 and the next presidential race? for that we bring in dr. jay the big a, politico's jonathan allen working on a book about hillary clinton herself. jonathan, from your perspective, was that a good-bye from yesterday or a hello for 2016? >> well, look. i don't have anything more than you've heard to suggest that secretary clinton is running in 2016.
she's been -- she's said that's not something she wants to do. >> go ahead and engage in wild speculation like we like to do. >> right, right. look. if you want to look at yesterday's hearing, the big read business handled herself bell before the senate and the house. there were a couple of people that tried to take some swings at her. for the most part, they weren't very effective. what happens in libya would have an effect and an issue to come up for her in a presidential race. it's sort of a one area where there are any questions about her tenure as secretary of state in terms of something happening on her watch that americans would be uncomfortable with or with the killing of four people that americans have reason to be angry about. whether or not that should be directed at her is another question. i think from a 2016 perspective, yesterday's hearings were a good showing for her. she held her own. >> jonathan, a thing that struck me watching her yesterday is her husband is obviously been called
the come back kid and seems she is also the comeback kid. you know, common theme throughout the career, emerges from difficulties and sort of uses them to elevate herself out of her husband's scandal, becomes senator. out of the presidential loss, becomes secretary and state and popularity never higher and then out of these hearings yesterday, supposed to be very tough for her, supposed to sort of paint her time as secretary of state in a negative light, to me she just reminded the american people public again of how strong and capable she is under pressure. >> i don't think there's any question she's one of the most effective witnesses. i think it's one of the reasons, in fact, most of the senators didn't take swings at her. they understood they could be on the losing side of that battle and in addition to that, made good friends on the republican side of the aisle. you saw that yesterday not only in the opening statements but some of the questions. the way that she was handled and best friend's ym who probably gave her the longest lecture rather than set of questions in
his time. so, certainly, this is a situation where secretary clinton comported herself very well and showed herself to be strong even after, you know, we saw at the end of the 2008 come pain, i think the particularly primary campaign was a point at which she was, you know, at her lowest in popularity in a long time at this point and she's obviously as you noted as high as she's ever been in the polls now. >> jonathan, there's a reason for that turnaround and i think yesterday got to what that was. the minute she lost to barack obama in 2008, something changed that had been the case for 16 years. from 1992 to 2008, the two co-villains in the republican party sort of narrative of the american politics were bill and hillary clinton and every minute of every day the republicans were attacking the clintons over everything and the minute they were not the face of the democrat party the clintons came to play a new role in sort of a republican narrative. they were the good democrats
that represented the bygone era and fell to me watching the hearings, yes, i believe she handled herself very well, a masterful performance but if she decides to run for president in 2016, it is back to what life used to be like for her, where every single day, every single way, republicans whether it's libya, whether it's anything else, you know as well as i do they'll find whatever it takes to go after her and the great psychological question of the next few months and years. does she want to live through that again or decide, you know what? i'd rather do something else with the time i've got. >> much more popular as a servant than as a candidate and i think that's true of most people who are public figures and run for office at times, so yeah. if she runs again she will not enjoy quite the love affair particularly or the love fest from republican elected officials. >> i want to talk a little bit more about the hearing yesterday. i also thought what she comported herself incredibly
well and for the most part was composed. i can't imagine having to do that for five and a half hours. it was actually pretty impressive. one of the moments that we showed earlier that fiery exchange of senator johnson and that moment where she asks, when's the difference at this point? you know, really, went over well with the supporters and many others found it pretty offensive and potentially damaging. obviously, the difference is the whole point about this and informs the foreign policy and the difference maybe why a filmmaker is currently in jail and we agreed that the moment was sort of like a rorschach test. if you like her, that's a great victory. maybe if you don't you saw that as pretty damaging. what are you hearing on the hill from democrats and republicans about that particular moment and any sort of long lasting affects it might have? >> well, clearly, that was the one moment the republicans jumped on to say, look, this is
the problem. the problem is that the administration didn't call it an act of terrorism. right off the bat. there was a story trotted out about a spontaneous demonstration and this growing out of this demonstration and that's the point of republicans all along. the administration misled the public n. this case, you have the secretary of state saying what's the difference between the two things and made them even angrier. however, secretary clinton opposed to other officials is saying that from a point where she had originally come out and said this was an attack by armed militants, made very clear that it was an act of terrorism rather than anything else. and not only was that something she had said i think publicly but also behind closed doors according to republicans i have talked to and initially said we like the story we got from secretary clinton even before this became as much of an issue as hearings yesterday. you know, what you're hearing is frusz tradition at this late
date there's stale story from the administration that there was evolving evidence going on, that perhaps there's not a difference between these two types of things, but again, with secretary clinton, there's at least a marker that she had laid out there saying it was terrorism coming to that point of there's, you know, doesn't matter what the difference is opposed to someone else in the administration coming from the spontaneous demonstrations point and saying here at this point, why doesn't it matter? i think there's a difference there in terms of credibility with the colleagues. >> the hillary of yesterday is tough and combative and smart and able to sort of accept blame without ever seeming weak. is this somebody -- did you see any new level of political skill or a new side of hillary or a person we have seen on stage for years now? >> well look. i think hillary clinton gained from all of the experiences in terms of her ability to present in public, to be a witness in front of the senate, to deal with senators, to deal with world leaders.
i think anybody benefits from that experience. i wouldn't say this is the same hillary clinton of years. i wouldn't seek to discredit her ability to evolve and grow but i don't think there's any question that this is somebody when's been, you know, serious student of public policy and somebody when's really mastered that over the years and, you know, that's always been the case with her. i think when she gets in the political field, obviously, she becomes a more contentious figure. >> all right. as always, thank you so much for being with us. >> hey, my pleasure, guys. with senator kerry's hearing today, we pose the question to facebook friends, is there good-bye nor hillary clinton and friend of "the cycle" went all i am the walrus on us and said you say good-bye i say hello 2016. let us know what you expect to see hillary clinton over the next few years. speaking of women put in combative situations and standing strong, up next, a historic day for women serving in our armed forces.
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military's ban on women in combat. the move overturns a 1994 policy preventing women from serving in most dangerous posts and expected to open up hundreds of thousands of jobs to women. when fully implemented they could serve in special ops units like delta force. let's spin on it. first of all, i mean, politically this issue is designed to get republicans to come out and criticize it so that democrats can say, we're on war on women, more war on women. but having never served myself i'm reluctant to take a strong position on this but i have talked to people who have served and are serving and reading a lot about what people who have served are saying. one such voice, ryan smith, in "the wall street journal" had this concern writing despite the professionalism of marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex.
in the reverse it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable position. it's based on cohesion. the relationships of members of a unit can be harmed by forcing them to violate societial norms. i think and again this is, you know, i think a military decision. and military voices know best here, but it seems like any time we ignore that there are actual real differences between men and women we open up a ban dora's box of problems we don't know are coming down the pike and i would encourage a little caution on this. >> i mean, i think this is a proud day in practice. those norms shredded in the military for quite a long time. women have been on the front lines fighting, getting killed. i think we have lost over 150 women in iraq and afghanistan over the past few years. there's no simple delineation of
where the war zone is anymore and tammy duckworth and others giving parts of their body an given their lives will say we have been fighting for a long time. you cannot ascend to the higher levels of the military because you have to have combat experience and women are getting combat experience but not recognized for it because officially they can't be in combat and can't get to the higher levels of military and bad for the military. this is going to give women a chance to get recognized for the thingless they have done. i mean, this sort of idea that women physically weaker all across the board than men was destroyed a long time ago. i think we know goldie taylor, a marine. about as tall as the table and can kick any man's butt in this building. >> weaker is the straw man. no one said weaker. i said different and we are. >> we should point out the same physical standards, women will have to meet the same physical standards. >> hopefully. >> to be able to serve in special forces, et cetera. and strikes me that a lot of
arguments against this, sort of societal norms are similar to gays serving openly in the military and in fact we saw with that the transition has been relatively uneventful and many of our allies already have gays serving openly in the military. have for a long time. and also have women serving on the front lines in combat already. and there's been no deterioration in unit cohesiveness. there's no deterioration in effectiveness. so, lacking any evidence that this would create a problem, i don't see any reason we wouldn't as you were saying, toure, codify and acknowledge the reality that's happening on the ground. >> it's already happening. >> there is a time when societal norms that blacks and whites should live separately. harry truman said in the military that ought not to be the case. i don't think that hurt.
>> no. but men and women are actually different. that's the point. there are actual differences. >> right. but you're making the -- what you said is saying we should think twice before violating an societal norm. we have in -- >> based on the belief that blacks and whites were different. >> this is based on the belief that everybody should have the opportunity if they can pass certain physical tests, if they can pass certain mental tests, they should have the opportunity to serve and to advance. this is about opportunity. not necessarily outcome. but the point i wanted to make actually had nothing to do with that. harry truman frequently comes to my head. it's striking to me that this comes a couple days after obama's second inaugural address and in that address we heard a lot of very liberal themes. this was not not -- what's the big takeaway about the speech? this was not sort of an olive branch obama, that is really sort of proud statement of
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crowning achievement pushing through a debt ceiling suspension until may by a vote of 285-144 yesterday. i guess a hard day's work deserves a week and a half of recess. >> amen. >> meantime, the senate is in session today and harry reid and mitch mcconnell apparently agreed on a filibuster reform deal. a senator can no longer filibuster the so-called motion to proceed and killed a chance for up or down vote on legislation and be easier to appoint members to negotiate with the house once a bill is passed and until now even after a fill buster is beaten, there is still a 30-hour wait before a nominee confirmed. this time would now be cut to just two hours. the leaders also agreed any senator wishing to filibuster must come to the senate floor to do so. now, the steps might seem to represent progress but not nearly what many progressives wishing for. the headline in "the huffington post" says it all calling it
failibuster. >> whoa. >> 60-vote senate is still intact. today is ira shap ro and also author of "the last great senate." and he joins us now. ira, i want to get to the filibuster deal in a minute, but i wanted to start as a broader point as the evolution of the senate. you were there in what you identify as sort of a golden period in 1970s and when you think about the competition of the senate in the 1970s, i think you worked for jacob javits of new york and ed brook of massachusetts. what i'm talking about is liberal republicans who would work across the line with liberal democrats, conservative southern democrats working with conservative republicans from up north. all this sort of funky cross-party alliances that form and while you were there, what started happening is happened to javits and lost to a conservative and case and lost
to a conservative. and now here we are all these years later and even conservatives are losing republican primaries to even more primary candidates. so i just look at sort of an evolution of the senate and the incentive system right now especially on the republican side is just never, ever, ever to cross the aisle and i don't know how that can be fixed. >> there's no question that the senate has changed dramatically over the years and that the movement of the republican party to the right, the constant movement, one surge after another to the right is the most important fact firefighter we use e. we used to have two parties that weren't that far apart and could cross the party lines. we don't have that anymore. nonetheless, i actually find myself a little more optimistic about the senate than many other people are. i think that the senate has been going down for a long time. and it's about poised for a
comeback. and one of the reasons i say that is that elections actually do matter. the senate elections were national blow-out for the democrats. and the republicans have learned a couple of lessons from that including the dangers of extremism and obstruction and picking tea party nominees. >> yeah. it's true. i mean, they were a national blow-out. unfortunately, they were not a 60-seat national blow-out. so i was wondering if you could -- i'm not an expert on senate procedure. i was hoping you could help us understand the filibuster reform deal that's reportedly reached and will have an impact on improving the senate. >> i think the deal as it's been reported will bring about a modest improvement in the senate. frankly, i have mixed emotions about it. i would have liked a searching
and thorough review of the senate rules. it seems to me that the rules and the practices have evolved in a way that has led us to routine filibusters, not rare filibusters. led us to holds by individuals that used to be temporary courtesies and now last indefinitely. i would like to see what we think about irrelevant amendments. having said all that, you have to work with the senate that you have in the sense that i have never believed that you could change the senate rules on a partisan vote. i've never believed that the nuclear option would work. there were reasons ted kennedy and snow biden criticized it in the past. if hyper partisanism is the problem in the senate, it's hard to see how address it by a solely partisan solution. i guess the modest reforms that
were made i think are going to be useful an i have a lot of respect for carl levin, lamar alexander, chuck schumer, john mccain, ben cardin, the people that worked on this along with the leaders so i wouldn't judge it to be a failed -- failure just yet. >> i want to pull out the lens a little bit. we have an asymmetrical problem and we have the senate and congress, as well. do you agree with that conception? >> no. i absolutely agree with that conception. and it's in the epilogue of my book. i think norm and tom are right that it's the movement of the republicans to the right, and frankly, i believe that the obstruction strategy followed by the senate republicans for the last four years and particularly during the national economic crisis was absolutely the wrong
thing for the country. fortunately, i think it turned out to be the wrong thing for them, as well. >> ira, while we're dishing out advice for republicans, let's look at senate democrats for a second. they haven't passed a budget since 2009 and "the washington post" has a piece out right now sort of trying to address why that may be. an answer they give is a budget isn't actually necessary. two, democrats don't want the blame when re-election comes up. three, democrats couldn't decide on one. it's not very inspiring stuff if you're part of the electorate but give a message to senate democrats on this particular issue, if you would. >> well, look. i believe that we should have a budget. i believe we will have a budget. i think that what i'm hearing from democrats like barbara mccull ski and democrats in between calling for what refer
to as regular order and by that they mean hearings, committee consideration of legislation, senate action on the legislation with amendments being offered, debated. compromises being made where necessary. i think we're going to see a senate that works with regular order more and part of it, i believe, is that both leaders, both leaders are in danger of being judged as failures. they didn't invent the -- they didn't inconvenient the hyper partisan senate but they inherited it and got worse under their watch. so they have a choice. they can be judged and forgotten as failures or they can start leading the comeback and i choose at the moment to be optimistic. by the way, norm and tom indicated a little more optim m optimism, too. >> all right. ira, thank you for joining us. while we are on the subject,
though, of improving the senate and making ate better place there's a bit of coincidental timing today. president obama has nominated mary jo white, the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york for the s.e.c. and about a decade ago played an instrumental role of making senate a slightly better place. why? she investigated a senator of new york accused of a donor, a convicted felon donor. the donor accused of plying the senator and helping the north korean government. she declined to indict him and didn't think that that guy holds up on the stand and referred it to the senate ethics committee. they severely admonished him and then a prosecutor's memo said that it found the accusations against bob torricelli to be materially credible.
the party panicked. they forced him out of the party. i think we have a ten-second clip. this is the implosion of bob torricelli ten years ago. here it is. >> when did we become such an unforgiving people? how did we become a society when a person can build credibility your entire life to have it question ed by someone whose wod is of no value at all? when did we stop believing and entrusting in each other? >> it's a guy whose career launched of a student election. could potted plant bs the answer? a plan for making the schools safer that you have never heard before. jenna shared her recipe with sharon,
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massacres have taken place in businesses, law practices, malls, movie theaters and especially schools. these massacres don't seem to stop. the common thread in these shootings is each gunman used a semiautomatic assault weapon or large capacity ammunition magazine. >> that was democratic senator dianne feinstein unveiling a new assault weapons ban legislation and hours ago with ten weapons displayed beside here calling for a ban on more than 150 types of firearms. but it remanes unclear how effective the ban was the first time around and as we've discussed here many times following newtown and even in tuesday's scare in texas, this issue is quite complicated. still, when you compare the level of gun violence in the u.s. to other countries, the extent of the problem is quite clear. let's look at canada as one
example. the u.s. has almost six times the number of homicides by firearms each year. and joining us now from our neighbor to the north is a professor with the surprising solution. he says something as simple as the way a building is designed could actually help prevent mass shootings and save lives. kelly suddenberg is crimeologist and president of criminal justice research which designed the safe program. kelly, welcome. >> hi, thanks for having me. >> so first, just help me understand, how can building design keep us safe? >> well, the safe design standard which stands for security achieved through functional environmental design is designed around a complication of research come about over the last 100 years looking at how we engineer and structure our environments so that we change behavior in those environments and we develop natural barriers that control the movement of people through
environments. so, one of the key aspects is ensuring that a property is beautiful, this it's functional, that it's welcoming and that it reduces the fears of crime, that it allows an environment where people take ownership and accountability for the properties that they occupy, either live, work or study in. >> kelly, really interesting and i don't mean to get too heady here but this reminded reading about it about the discipline and punish and talking about the design of the prison and the changes that the prison -- prison design had taken over the course of a century and the affect on the national psyche. and discipline through design. and what can happen there and i imagine it's very important to you to create space that is are safe but that don't feel oppressive and fortified. >> that's so true. it's -- you know, when you have an environment that is fortified that has these very blatant or
obtrusive barriers or security features, what it causes is the people using the spaces to increase their anxiety levels and their fear. and when we think specifically to schools, so my colleagues, when we were looking at how can we make environments, be it a shopping mall, an office building or a school or a university or college campus, how can we make these environments more safe, secure, but also, retain the desired architecture and landscape elements so the feel of the environment is one to go to, we take ownership, that we respect and that what's more is that when we have individuals that come in to our environments, that when they come in with the intent of causing harm or crime or violence, that those that are using the environment can easily identify them and say, you know
what? this person doesn't fit in this place. and that they feel uncomfortable and anxious themselves saying i don't belong here. i'm gong to leave or i'm not going to commit the offense i was thinking of committing. >> kelly, i really believe in this principle that you're outlining when you're talking about open spaces to see the criminals, ownership of spaces, these sort of natural walls. all of these things occurred naturally in the suburbs but where we would need to implement these things more is in the projects in america where we see a lot of crime when a lot of these things you are talking about violated by the design space. how can we bring some of this besides just raising the project and rebuilding them completely, how can we bring it to the projects? >> when we think of some of the more inner city schools, for instance, where we have the metal detectors and chain link fences, some have barbed wire
and the big steel doors and the very ugly and -- element that is make us feel uncomfortable, it's easy enough to change these environments so that we -- well, we make things more beautiful. when we make things more pleasing and landscaping that's more welcoming and still controls using these elements, these architectural and landscape elements so they're natural barriers and open up spaces. we can do this both within an urban setting, environmental crime prevention is very, very prevalent within europe which you have very densely populated areas and also is applicable in the suburbs so it's by taking, looking at what we have and seeing how can we make these elements so that they're less obtrusi obtrusive, less visible and using what we have so that we can better control people's movements but in a manner that eases their anxieties and their
fears. >> what about the idea of police officers in schools? >> you know, i have no problem with resource officers in schools. i think it's a great idea. in canada, most of the time when you see a police officer in a school, they're wearing a collared shirt or a pair of khakis. they're not in the uniform. so that it's a little bit more welcoming to the students that are there and they interact with kids in the school grounds. it's a great idea. community-based policing is a real important part of the policing culture and i think that when we have officers there it makes kids comfortable around police and those that might come on the property, we have a kp on the property. with the idea of this over fortification or the real overt images of enforcement, i think that those start to cause anxiety and fear which isn't what you want to do. >> gotcha.
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in all of the sea. the legend was the krackin. jules verne wrote about it. surely the monsters that ate ships in one gulp were a figment of the imagination. right? >> no. >> i read about them as a boy and i always believed that they were out there and while as s.e. believes in bigfoot, i believed in this and it's real. after four years of work, a team of scientists shot it in the natural tab at the. >> wow. >> an eye almost as big as s.e.'s head. >> what? >> when they returned, think took the footage to discovery to air it on january 27th in a special called "monster squid." move over shack week. we have something scarier. welcome richard ellis, a marine conservation featured in the special. welcome. >> thank you. >> how did they find this beast and what did they learn about it that we didn't know before?
>> they found it by -- there were three different ways of looking for this. one they had a lighted item which was a kind of a dome with circulating lights. this was supposed to attract the squid to the lights. somebody else washed up a squid and put the squid in the water and the third head another squid on a baited and filmed all of this. >> covering all your bases. >> that was the idea because other expeditions have tried in the past to do this and all of them have failed up to this point. the lighting up worked marginally well but what it meant was there was a robot camera that got this image of the giant squid. so still by that point no one had ever actually seen one with their eyes. the squashing up of pieces of a squid didn't work at all, but the baited hook did and the baited hook -- the man who was most instrumental in looking for this squid, whose career was destreeted to trying to find this, was the successful
operator there, and he got the i am imagines of the giant squid attacking a bait. it's an extraordinary sight for those of us who have thought about it for a long time, finally our dreams were answered and you -- he actually got to see it. if you see footage of it now, you will be in the same category as all the people who watch it on tv. you have seen an image of it but there are three people, the cameraman, the sub driver, and dr. kubadara who saw a giant living squid. it's a fa am phenomenal accomplishment. >> yf has it taken so long to finally capture these images? >> largely because nobody knew where to look for them. they have washed up in the past everywhere. they've washed up in hawaii and newfoundland and japan and south africa. so people began to look for them in different places, but kubadara who is the one who actually saw it, has seen from a
still camera has seen the giant squid in this area south of japan. he actually reeled one in. so he saw that -- >> but it died, yeah? >> it died and they took it to the museum. but, in fact, this time he actually saw it and he knew where to look. and in the past there have been expeditions to the caribbean, to south africa, to all kinds of places, but in this place because he'd already seen them there, that's why they went there. >> richard ellis, fascinating stuff. we'll be watching the show. congratulations on finding the giant squid. up next the line from the president's inaugural address that hit particularly home to krystal. >> healthiest thing we do is just ignore this and pretend it doesn't exist like we do with the squid. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup.
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destroyed. this shows the long decline of labor union membership. just yesterday we received a new and unsurprising data point from the bls. the number of union members fell by 400,000 last year, and overall membership is now at a 97-year low. why does this matter? well, the implication here is pretty clear. as labor goes, so goes the middle class. and make no mistake, labor is going. right now we're locked in a vicious downward spiral. republicans driven by corporate money and a cynical zeal for undermining one of the richest sources of democratic campaign contributions attack labor rights in state after state. they're frequently successful attacks make it harder for unions to organize and lead to fewer people joining unions. with fewer people in unions, there are fewer people who understand the benefits of membership for themselves and their family and there are more people to be talked into the company caricature of union bosses as boorish thugs and
mafia goons. so public support for labor unions declines allowing republicans to launch even more successful attacks on labor rights. look, i'm the granddaughter of a union sheet metal worker, union coal miner, union teacher, and union postal worker, so when you mess with unions, it feels personal to me. but the truth is it should feel personal for every american regardless of their family history. the america we know and love is the america we know and love because of unions. they fought for better wages, equal pay and equal rights, worker's safety and even the weekend. they continue to fight today for the vision of america articulated so eloquently by the president. >> we know that america thrives when every person can find independence and pride in their work. when the wages of honest labor liberate families from the brink of hardship. we are true to our creed when a little girl born into the blea p